Noro was brought to the place where the founder was trapped for 2000 years…
"How did you get here?" Noro asked "When I died, I trapped myself in this place swearing that after 2000 years after the [Rebellion War], I would return" Lucifer told him…
"Faking my death, I watch all of my creations with [Lilith], the demons and Arch Demons, demonkin and Ghouls…" Lucifer adds "Wasn't it better for you if you didn't die at all?" Noro asked "A secret from the Akumu household, a secret not known from outsiders, a hollow body with no soul to take, a taken body with a sleeping tyrant" Lucifer said. Noro couldn't find out what he meant, but he did leave out some clues to find out what he meant…
Noro tried decoding what he meant but got nowhere, [中空体] hollow body… it got him thinking, if Shiro and Lucifer shared the same soul, does that lead to Shiro being the hollow shell of a body, but he also knows that Shiro can't be hollow as he has feelings.
"You might think that the boy is the hollow shell, but maybe, just maybe, you took it back" Lucifer speculated. "Quite sharp thinking there huh?" Noro said "Well, you do know that I am your ancestor right?" Lucifer jokingly said. Noro laughed it off feeling the atmosphere getting heavier. "You feel bad for the boy don't you?" Noro said "Well, a soul fragment of mine that the boy inhabits is cast to a gauntlet, but the gauntlet is the first part of it, the boy can [Magic] his way out of the glove, turned into a shadow" he replied. "Why did you even take over the boy's body?" Noro asked "Well, I wanted to speed up the training of the boy, even if he's a gauntlet, my experience with the body is transferred to him the very moment I finish, for example, the mature wraith eye, when it matured, the experience is passed on to him at the very moment it matured, because I can no longer gain experience because I've already known what to do in the first place" he explains.
"But can't you just teach the kid?" Noro asked "He's very slow, he may be a fast learner, but practically, he can't produce what he thought he could produce, which frustrates him so much that he depletes his fluctuations into doing that one move, faints, then does it again and again until he reaches what he wants to reach… it's not a bad thing but to see my soul frustrated, I can't stand it" he explains.