(Spider-Man and Gwen Stacy.)

Chapter nine:

For example, how many universes do you know of where Peter Parker is Spider-Man in the past? Contrast that with other non Peter Parker versions of Spider-Man. Very, few right? That's me influencing fate to go down different paths and influence different people. It takes a lot of experimentation, heck having Miles Morales take up the mantle was a challenge, Gwen Stacy was the most difficult. Said Jack Kirby.

Surprisingly, it was easier to have a radioactive pig bite a spider and become Spider- Ham to have Gwen Stacy become Spider-Woman. Lately, instead of creating new universes I've been having fun sending souls from the stable earth back into different Marvel Universe's, it's been so much fun seeing what changes they make to fate. So many new histories and new variations of fate to study. Anyway, perpuating our own existence, that is just a happy side of effect of what we do. Not that we ever die, which makes propagation unnecessary, but it's nice to have others spend time with us. As long as they don't fall to the Klyntar, that is. Replied Jack Kirby.

So much information crashed down on Travis all at once. One thing he definitely felt should be clarified first though. Klyntar? Travis asked him.

Yes, they are the reason we must study life in addition to fate. The Klyntar are those black slimly things that occur when you create life without intending to and leave things to their natural progression. They are what they are and we need to find out why. Why are they the natural progression of the? I've seen life be amazing and wonderful, and also as dark as those things, but if that's the natural progression of things then it begs the question. Replied Jack Kirby.

I'm sorry, but you said something about falling to them? Travis asked, trying to get the old man back on topic. It seemed as though Jack Kirby was a bit of a scatterbrain.

Oh, right. It's a thing, really. Seen several of ours fall to them. In order for it to happen, you do nothing until they completely overwhelm your entire being, or you get attacked and absorbed by one that's already fallen. Thankfully, you stop them in time, so at least you won't be falling the natural way. Jack bends down to Travis's ear, as if he's telling him a secret. Between you and me, I suspect The Presence, as he calls himself, has been on the urge of failing several times now. It would explain why the DC universe is much darker than Marvel. Replied Jack Kirby.

He stands up straight again. Clears his throat and continues. Moving on, those who fall completely become anti- Origin at that point. I suppose you could just call them the Enders. It's one of the other reasons we increase our numbers, besides company, because they're the only way we die, or rather we're consumed by them. It's not really death per'se, it's really just becoming a part of them. We could also consume them, it helps us grow stronger and quicker, but it's an unstable way and makes it easier for the Klyntar to propagate in each universe you recreate. No I always say, the only proper way to become stronger is to steadily create more universes. Each universe you create is an increase to your life. Said Jack Kirby.

Wait, aren't I already strong? Travis asked him.

Well, out here you're not. Why do you think I'm with you? Other than you technically being my son, your original soul being from an earth I created after all, I have to stay with you until I'm confident that you can survive. Don't get me wrong, you're perfectly chaos of creation, but out here, you're just one of many. In fact, if you were to visit one of my many universes as you are, you'd be as weak, say, the Incredible Hulk. Sure, you're able to survive most things, but you're not going to be snuffling out galaxies with a sneeze or anything either, much less able to destabilize any of my universe's. Replied Jack Kirby.

What? Travis asked him.