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Song Jiyun asked Hong Xi, "If kindness is repaid with kindness, what do you repay kindness with?"

Hong Xi was silent for a while.

Song Jiyun talked to him about the wares of Yinyu Hall, "Dehua porcelain is known for its figurines, Longquan Porcelain for its color, and our porcelain excels in the form of the objects. We must create unique features. There are many refined scholars and guests in the Capital City; we need to focus on the Four Treasures of the Study and teaware, while our everyday porcelain should primarily be high-end pieces like thin-walled porcelain."

As the two conversed, they sidelined the matter regarding Song Tao.

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